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Comment from: melissaz [Visitor] Email · http://takingwhatisleft.blogspot.com
I like the being different as a threat idea. I've touched on that a few times in my blog. But you are so right about it.

I heard that Clinton and Stacey get turned down about 10% of the time. Although for a week in NYC by myself with 5k to spend is mighty tempting.
07/09/08 @ 13:21
Comment from: Emily [Visitor] Email · http://wheelsonthebus.wordpress.com
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I agree that we shouldn't try to fix those who are finding their way just fine. However, when does this go too far? Should we not try to fix homelessness because some people like living on the streets, for example?
07/09/08 @ 15:07
Comment from: Julie Pippert [Visitor] Email · http://theartfulflower.blogspot.com/
Not to defend Stacy and Clinton---who I think go too far for the POW rating by ruthlessly breaking down people to get a reaction or tears---but I do think they try to find the person's better style, in their colors and preferences only nicer, not unflattering. The things they come up with vary wildly among people on the show. But that's off point LOL.

Oy. reasonable accommodations. I think people worry too much about what others get, sometimes. I got a flex schedule after I had a baby. I worked just as hard---harder---and met all my obligations work-wise, but it didn't cut the resentment from others who logged (mentally at least) when I was and wasn't in the office.

Everyone is looking for fair, when it's not a state of being, but is, instead, a place to go to ride a Ferris wheel.

Interestingly, my mother and I were talking about a proposed bit of legislation here in Texas that would require, as part of licensing in Texas, all doctors to be fluent in Spanish and English.

Wow, that's a quick route to make the health care problem worse. I see their point, but to be blunt, that's not a reasonable expectation.

I guess the bottom line question is: does the concession benefit the greater good or does it cost the greater good too much?

If the concession would benefit the individual but at too much cost to everyone else---and that's your point, how do we find that place, I know---then...it's past reasonable.

I don't find "let the person work from home or have flex schedule" to be that place. But others do. A quandary.

Your post is two pieces for me:

Part 1 asks what are reasonable expectations of the greater?

Part 2 asks what are reasonable expectations of the individual? To me, this portion hints at wondering to what level of our ability are we expected, reasonably, to perform.

It's a big mom question, too: are degreed, professional women at home "wasting" their potential?
07/09/08 @ 18:59
Comment from: etee [Member] Email · http://blog.etee2k.net
melissaz - I would so love to see the outtakes where people turn them down!

Emily - I don't know that we can 'fix' homelessness. Maybe what we need to do is go after the conditions that lead to it (which we do, but with varying degrees of success.) This isn't a call to 'sit on our hands and do nothing', rather a warning that we need to consider our motivations for trying to 'fix' something (or someone.)

Julie - I read that comment about fair, and realized I had just found my new email .sig! (With attribution, of course.)

As to the whole 'reasonable accomodation' thing, I am reminded of a quote (sort of) from the mother on the show 'Little People, Big World': "We do the same things as everyone else... we just do them a bit differently." I guess the issue becomes whether whether or not the cost of allowing that difference is too high, but I tend to lean toward the individual, as that is IMHO how we create an inclusive team/workplace/community/society, one in which all can contribute to their potential. It's sort of silly to take away a carpenter's hammer, then fault him for failing to nail the boards together.

As to your last question: Son just turned 21. I don't think either my wife or I feel she "wasted" her time - in fact, I would say it is the best investment we as a family have made.

07/10/08 @ 04:42
Comment from: etee [Member] Email · http://blog.etee2k.net
Julie - one more thing: I don't equate 'reasonable accomodation' with 'concession'. After all, is an employer actually giving up (conceding) anything when they put mechanisms on the doors so that people who need them can open the doors? Or when they install ramps at the entrances, or allow a blind employee to use software that reads text from their computer screen to them?

Maybe the whole problem is that people somehow feel that 'those others' are getting an advantage (or special treatment), when all they are getting is a bit of help in overcoming a barrier that doesn't affect the rest of us.

~eTee
07/10/08 @ 07:09
Comment from: Silverstar [Visitor] Email · http://wimpygimp.wordpress.com/
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I, too am disabled. But since I have reached "a great age" as the determination of disability read, I don't work. I would rather work, but they would rather send jobs I could do overseas because it is cheaper. I can't be fixed, either, I just have to live with it.

I think if we had a social definition of disability instead of a medical definition, maybe we would try to fix society and the barriers instead of trying to fix the people.
07/10/08 @ 08:17
Comment from: Attachedparent [Visitor] Email · http://attachedparent.blogspot.com
I think that there are times when the "Reasonable accomodations" in this country are taken too far and become entitlement. We do need to do things for people and have a place for people who cannot help themselves, but in other ways, we should help people help themselves. People with disabilities are limited in somethings they can do, but in other ways, they can do some things better. We should work to help people help themselves.
07/10/08 @ 11:51
Comment from: etee [Member] Email · http://blog.etee2k.net
Silverstar - we can only hope it will come to pass.

Attachedparent - What if all the doors in the buildings were constructed such that you required the strength of a professional athlete to open them? Or, what if all the steps were 9 feet tall? How would you feel if the only way your child could do his/her schoolwork was to be left-handed (and your kids were strongly right-handed)? Would YOU feel that making the appropriate modifications so that you/your family could perform basic life functions that everyone needs to do in order to function in society was an "entitlement"? I am not about "giving someone a fish", but rather I want to "teach/enabled them to fish", for that way they can feed themselves and contribute to society. After all, as unique individuals we tend to do things slightly different ways, and sometimes (oftentimes?) a "one size fits all" approach simply doesn't work.

I do want to thank everybody for coming over and commenting!

~eTee
07/10/08 @ 18:29
Comment from: Angela at mommy bytes [Visitor] Email · http://www.mommybytes.com
I think people put down reasonable accommodations in the same way as affirmative action. If it helps the disabled, let them say whether it is reasonable or not. You can't judge without being in their shoes.

I'm a week late for the Hmm, but please check out my post here:
http://www.mommybytes.com/2008/07/autism-revealed.html
07/22/08 @ 23:18

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